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Roderick Grant
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It looks like the model that was constructed for "In the Realm of Ideas" back in 1988.
How structurally sound would that hexagonal screen be? |
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KevinW
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The hex screen would be as structurally sound as it needs to be....only cost and technology would determine how it would be done, and what it would actually look like.
Is that even practical for the intense sun and heat of Arizona? And the Monsoons? Are those glazed? transluscent?
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Jeff Myers
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I find this project very majestic. I am stunned now seeing the model. Does anyone have a plan?
I saw the rendering when I was at Taliesin West in 2007, displayed in Wright's Office. I couldn't stop looking at it.
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Roderick Grant
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KevinW, the hex screen is open. I'm not sure about the construction, but I believe it was to be reinforced concrete covered with copper. It seems to me that no matter what the method, the structure would not endure well. Any structural engineers out there?
Photos of the model should be juxtaposed with photos of what Arizona chose to build instead. Of all the 50 state houses, Arizona's probably ranks in the 40s architecturally. But for the single masterpiece, Nebraska, most are either dull-witted or inappropriate knock-offs of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Arizona had the chance to do something spectacular, and they botched it. |
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Tom
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| Thanks for the link to the shots. First time I've ever seen the other side of this project. Thanks again. |
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Rood
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| Roderick Grant wrote: | | KevinW, the hex screen is open. I'm not sure about the construction, but I believe it was to be reinforced concrete covered with copper. It seems to me that no matter what the method, the structure would not endure well. |
One unresolved structural issue is revealed on page 2, 6-down, labeled "Open Hexagonal Canopy Work" ... See again:
http://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/cdm/search/collection/oasis
Notice how the edge of the eastern side of the main canopy rests every so gently on top of the roof of the three-story Arizona Hall. The section on page 237 of FLLW's A TESTAMENT, c. 1957 reveals another view of the problem.
As for the simile of the canopy being a "tree" shading the garden below: It's something that might work in a dry Arizona winter, but additional shading would be needed in the intense heat of summer if the open spaces were expected to be livable. Of course temperatures beneath the canopy might be tempered by the pools and fountains, and perhaps a system of "misting".
Additionally, I'd hate to be the one to have to sweep the inner courtyards after one of Arizona's dust storms. Similar climatic problems seemed to have burdened the Stanley Marcus project.
And yet, OASIS is such a romantic design, I'm confident that one day all these minor problems will be resolved and the project will be constructed. It's a natural. |
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Jeff Myers
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Santa Fe has a beautiful Capitol. Oklahoma's capital, well it endures cracks. It was built domeless a few years ago they added a new dome.
All the Oasis needs is Gates like those at Price Sr. House. And put carbon fiber tubes as the hexagonal screen and hang canvas on it. Should resolve the Dust Storm issue, unless you want to install fans in the courtyard to blow the dust out?
I think it would look so stunning with Massive Doors reminiscent of the Egyptian Temples and also security purposes. I do wonder in a time where every Capitol is secured I don't think this one would have had great additions. I love the layout and it would be very unique to have, even if it weren't a Capitol it would make for a great shopping mall.
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Roderick Grant
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New Mexico? Really? I don't see anything at all special about it.
Oklahoma is one of those ecclesiastical structures that I would consider inappropriate and tired, along with so many others: Minnesota, Rhode Island, Arkansas, South Dakota, California, etc.
Hawaii's is so dated, but at least it's original.
Alaska has the most appropriate capitol of all: a six-story office building on a corner in downtown Juneau in the commercial district, straight-forward, economical, though perhaps not poetical. |
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| I'm sorry, but I have to disagree - the paired columns mixed with the perforated roof seem to originate from different points in time - and for all of Wright's condemnation of post and beam structural systems, this proposal leads me to believe that Wright had very little to do with the project - looks more like a Taliesin/Wes Peters production. Sometimes things don't get built for a good reason, and not every architect hits the nail on the head with every project. |
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Rood
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| outside in wrote: | | I'm sorry, but I have to disagree - the paired columns mixed with the perforated roof seem to originate from different points in time - and for all of Wright's condemnation of post and beam structural systems, this proposal leads me to believe that Wright had very little to do with the project - looks more like a Taliesin/Wes Peters production. Sometimes things don't get built for a good reason, and not every architect hits the nail on the head with every project. |
Boy, that's really off the mark.
A Phoenix newspaper reporter came out to Taliesin West in 1957 and asked Mr. Wright to comment on the proposal for a new Arizona capitol building ... which at the time was for a tall, nondescript skyscraper. Mr. Wright said New York skyscrapers were inappropriate ... that Arizona deserved better.
Then and there, and before the reporter's eyes, Mr. Wright sketched his proposal.
What is particularly delicious about Wright's design is the dome ... After castigating domed government buildings most of his life, here was his solution ... a crenelated domed State Capitol Building. No one else at Taliesin would never have dared or imagined such a thing.
As for historical precedents ... look to the Alhambra. I'll give you that.
In 1957 Life Magazine published a story about the controversy, complete with photographs ... of the ultimately rejected skyscraper, too. If you want I'll dig out my copy and give you the exact date and page of the Life article. |
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Jeff Myers
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I knew Wright designed the Capitol design, even before I knew of his work. The Illinois still puzzles me and I do wonder if that 5,000 feet tall skyscraper that may get built may in fact be The Illinois or like it.
It is a wonder is it not?
I love the screen on The Oasis even the renderings are beautiful and I find it stunning the more I look at it.
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Even though he is wrong about who designed this building I agree with OutsideIn about the colonnade. It seems clumsy for Wright in my judgement and out of place to his work as a whole, very curious.
Then there is the issue of the copper! Yes it would be gorgeous ...and a tad costly.
The two large chambers seem to connect with that beautiful project he did for the religious right wing insurance guy. ...what was his name? |
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