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peterm
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| Good on ya, EJ... |
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SDR
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Wonderful ! Life is always ready to surprise and delight -- especially if we worry a bit beforehand ? I'm glad to hear it was a success -- and a pleasure.
It's all about the people, isn't it . . .
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Tom
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Any technical experts on the Palmer house out there? I got the Hildebrand/Eaton book this week. There is a small but informative photograph of the modeling of the roof framing. I'm curious if anybody knows how those two main ridge beams anchor into the masonry over the fire and the kitchen? The carport framing is pretty wild too. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting. Wright acquiesced to the Palmer's request to change his original siting of this house. I prefer the drama of his original location. Hildebrand/Eaton to go into this in very much detail. Anybody know more on this? |
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Roderick Grant
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| Tom, do you have "Wrightscapes"? Pages 299 to 301 deal with the orientation of the house, itemizing advantages and disadvantages of each. This book is an essential addition to anyone's library of Wright books. |
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DavidC
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Tom
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Thanks, I'll just have to get a copy! Don't think I've heard of Wrightscapes before.
When knowing that the point of the cantilever of Palmer was at first meant to be 'out in space' it forces a mental comparison with the existing condition, which now seems sunk in the ground!
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dtc
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Tom,
The terrace would not have been cantilevered.
If the Palmer was built as originally sited by Wright the terrace would have been built with a masonry-retaining base. A system to address irregular topography. Plus it would have eliminated the 12 entry steps from carport to entry that exists presently.
Most usonian entries are a few steps from the car/carport.
One down side to the original sitting is that there was no access to the garden.
From the terrace, one needed to go through the house to get to the garden. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, thanks. (I understand about the masonry retaining base. What I meant was that that point of the house would have been prominently elevated in space, distinctly different quality from the way it was built.) But I am going to get Wrightscapes and read about this.
The existing entry to Palmer does seem to be one of the really cool things about the house. |
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dtc
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You and others might like the entry, but it was not Wright's intention. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow! That really surprises me. So are you saying that the entry was not designed by Wright? |
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Roderick Grant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| It was designed by FLW when the reorientation demanded it. I think the Palmers were correct to request the move; the relationship of the house to its lot and the gardens is wonderful as is. I also suspect FLW may have agreed with the Palmers, since he seems not to have argued against the change. The steps up to the front door are dramatic and work well. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Re-reading back through Hildebrand/Eaton. Wright's drawings of this house in it's original location show the entry sequence pretty much the same as the final built version (without mudroom and therefore the "prow" of course). This is being picky I guess, but what else is WrightChat for, yet I don't think it's accurate to think of the entrance as built as an adjustment to what Wright originally wanted to do. The entry sequence from the original location to the final location does not change significantly. |
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Roderick Grant
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It's only the addition of the steps that makes a difference. This was usual for FLW, though not unique; Wall has exterior steps up to the front door.
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Tom
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone know if there is a separate thread for the Wall House? |
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