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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Heurtley House Sold? Reply with quote

I noticed in Wright on the Market that the Heurtley House sold. Does anyone know the story? What it sold for and the realtor's name that sold it? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been sold for approximately 1 month. I am not sure if the sale has closed. Once I know that it has closed I will post the sales price. It sold for what I projected it sell for when it first went on the market. I must have ESP or at least ESPN.



I think that the buyer got a fine deal, but not a steal. If I had extra millions laying around and I had the funds in place for a secure retirement I would have bought it in a heart beat. It is a truly a great architectural work that is very livable even by today's standards of excess.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Heurtley House Sold Reply with quote

The Heurtley House closed on 1/16/07 for 2.5 million! The original listing price was $5.75 million which was reduced to $4.90 million (4/06) to $3.999 million (9/06). It had been on the market since 9/05 (440 days). The listing agent was from Baird and Warner (Marcee Gavula).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is much lower than what I heard. I cannot believe that it sold for that figure.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- What did the seller originally buy the house at?



- What date did the seller originally buy the house?



- What are the annual property taxes?



I have a hard time believing it sold for that price. Many times, buyers and sellers agree at a
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In mid-January I heard from reliable sources that it sold for $3.1 million. My guess was that the previous owners paid $1.5 million for it and spent $1.6 million on the restoration, reproduction furniture and a new historic large garage with office space. The property taxes were probably $23,000 per year for the previous owners.



In my opinion there is absolutely no way that it sold for $2.5 million without a side deal as RGH suggested.



I will make some calls tomorrow to my real estate broker friend.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Undocumented" portions of a purchase price are risky. With a deal of this size, I would not feel comfortable as a seller letting $600,000 be an unwritten obligation on the part of the buyer. Moreover, if the buyer and seller do not report the full consideration on the applicable transfer tax forms and are later audited, there could be further liability - both in terms of money and criminal penalties. There are many other issues ....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cook County Recorder of Deeds confirms it sold/closed 1/8/2007 for $2.5M. That is the final word.



Unless there was something undocumented
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJH wrote:
Cook County Recorder of Deeds confirms it sold/closed 1/8/2007 for $2.5M. That is the final word.



Unless there was something undocumented
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The previous owners have our gratitude for doing a wonderful job on the restoration. I wish them the best.
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A Wright Homeowner



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Recorder's Office Reply with quote

The real estate contract filed with the Cook County Recorder's Office reflects the price for the Real Property (house and land) only. To the extent that personal furnishings were sold as well, that would be covered by a contract for the sale of Personal Property, not subject to filing with the Recorder's Office.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a good point here. If personal property was included in the price, the parties may deduct that amount from the contact purchase price for purposes of paying real estate transfer taxes. To be clear, contracts are not recorded at the recorder's office. A transfer tax declaration is submitted with the deed, which shows the contract price and the amount the parties are attributing to personal property (conveyed by way of a bill of sale). The real estate transfer tax paid is based on the amount attributable to the real property. I would be surprised if there was a separate contract for the personal property. A standard residential contract provides for the conveyance of personal property and a bill of sale, to the extent the parties so desire.



There are two interesting things that my be worth a look into:



1. Whether you can obtain an actual copy of the transfer tax declaration, which would show what if any was attributed to the personal property.



2. Whether what the county reports on its website as the sale price for the house is the full consideration (including personal property) or the amount on which transfer tax was paid. My guess is that it is the amount on which transfer tax was paid, because that is "value" of the real estate.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It even manages to pull off having a front driveway which isn't an easy feat. If I were to build my own house I think I would go for something like this.Heurtley House is beautiful inside and out.
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