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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:31 am    Post subject: Schindler letter to Architectural Forum 1947 Reply with quote

Found this letter to the editor from R. M. Schindler to be interesting and thought I'd share...Sorry about the poor quality of the scan.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this. It's quite legible.

Schindler's well deserved righteous indignation...

This phrase is priceless: "architecturally infantile device of pipe stilts". You tell 'em RMS.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He adroitly omits that in his "full-height glass wall with large sliding doors on the patio side," the sliding doors were originally canvas-covered frames !
I guess by 1947 those had been replaced with glass ? An unnecessary quibble, naturally.

Schindler closes with a characteristic generosity: He suggests that others might have preceded him in one or another of the particulars he cites, and in effect invites them to speak up, in turn . . . ?

Stephen


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMS' "characteristic features" sound like the basis for what we all now call: "Usonian"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for the one feature which Wright never really embraced: The sliding door...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterm wrote:
Except for the one feature which Wright never really embraced: The sliding door...


Although he very famously used sliding door panels at the Hanna House in Palo Alto. Did he not?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really ? Are you thinking of removable bedroom partitions ?

The Kings Road house is a marvel in so many ways.







Note "flat" roof pitched to drain -- and shear panels/diagonal bracing in the clerestory band ?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess those are sliding panels, in the Hanna playroom ?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote





all photos from "FLLW's Hanna House -- The Clients' Report" (second edition)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why he only used this once? Are there other examples of the sliding door or wall?

Could it be that it would have typically required the dreaded screen? A huge opening like that in the Midwest would be a magnet for all sorts of moths, mosquitoes, etc. Also the weatherizing for winter could be a nightmare...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the color photo the panels read more like screen than glass. In the early photo it could all be glass. We have moths and flies, at least, here . . .

All other Hanna exterior doors/windows are normal-sized glazed sash, often bi-fold units to create larger unbroken openings.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant the complication of having a screen and glass. The solution for non California weather would probably be a removable sliding screen door. But where do you store that in a Usonian? Certainly not in the carport!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right. There are multiple layers of glass in some of the photos -- associated with those half-hex-plan glazed features in the dining and play rooms. But I don't see separate bi-fold doors inside the flat sliding panels -- so maybe they aren't screens ?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or maybe that's fabric over or behind the glass, as a sunscreen . . .



Jean describes finding and applying a fabric over the original ceiling panels.







Kings Road when it was painted, and the canvas doors had been replaced with glazed ones:




Schindler's Packard house of a year or two later -- with Wrightian muntin patterns in the conventional french doors:



Schindler photos from Esther McCoy's "Five California Architects"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were originally sliding glass panels inside and outside the hex grid; if the exterior panels are screens, it's an alteration. The playroom, it should also be noted, was converted to a dining room after the children left home.

Packard was one of RMS's great designs, but it has been badly altered over the years (prior to the photo shown above). The shingle roof is not original, and the house has been painted inside and out.

The photo of Schindler above, is actually of the Chase half of the duplex. This is the portion Pauline moved into after the divorce, and after the Chases had moved out. She painted the interior of her half, but Rudy never painted his half.

For some years, architect Bernard Judge used the Schindler half as his office. You may recall a house in the Hollywood Hills (1960) consisting of several hex-shaped platforms at various levels, the whole contained in a plastic Bucky Fuller Geodesic Dome? That was Judge's own house. He also designed the several buildings that Marlon Brando built on his South Pacific island.
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